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The '''Fifth Submarine Flotilla''' was a formation of [[Submarine|submarines]] of the [[Royal Navy]].
The '''Fifth Submarine Flotilla''' was a formation of [[Submarine|submarines]] of the [[Royal Navy]]. Prior to the war, it may have been occasionally referred to as "Section III".{{MoS|5 Feb. 1912, p. 4}}


==History==
==History==
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{|width=75% class="toccolours"
{|width=75% class="toccolours"
| style="background:#CEDFF2" colspan=6 align=center | '''Test Mobilisation'''
|-
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Tender'''
|align=center colspan=6|'''Depot Ship'''
|-
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Thames}}
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-1Thames}}
|-
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Submarines'''
|align=center colspan=6|'''Submarines'''
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By September, 1914, the flotilla would be designated as a component of the [[Nore Defence Flotilla (Royal Navy)|Nore Defence Flotilla]].
By September, 1914, the flotilla would be designated as a component of the [[Nore Local Defence Flotilla]].
It would retain this roster until September, 1916.
It would retain this roster until September, 1916.


===September, 1916===
===September, 1916===
The flotilla is redesignated as the {{UK-SF|4}} — the vessels of that formation based at Dover are now the Fifth Submarine Flotilla.{{SMNLSep16|pp. 15, 17}}
The flotilla is redesignated as the {{UK-SF|4}} — the vessels of that formation based at Dover are now those of the Fifth Submarine Flotilla. The strength is ten submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.{{SMNLSep16|pp. 15, 17}}


{|width=75% class="toccolours"
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|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Arrogant}}
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Arrogant}}
|-
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Tender'''
|align=center colspan=6|'''Depot Ship'''
|-
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Hazard}}
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Hazard}}
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|align=center|{{UK-C15}}||align=center|{{UK-C17}}||align=center|{{UK-C18}}||align=center|{{UK-C19}}||align=center|{{UK-C20}}||align=center|{{UK-C21}}
|align=center|{{UK-C15}}||align=center|{{UK-C17}}||align=center|{{UK-C18}}||align=center|{{UK-C19}}||align=center|{{UK-C20}}||align=center|{{UK-C21}}
|-
|-
| ||align=center|{{UK-C22}}||align=center|{{UK-C28}}||align=center|{{UK-C29}}||align=center|{{UK-C30}}
| ||align=center|{{UK-C22}}||align=center|{{UK-C28}}||align=center|{{UK-C30}}||align=center|{{UK-C34}}
|}
|}


==Captains (S)==
This roster would apply untilDecember.{{SMNLOct16|p. 15 and Supplements through December}}
 
===December, 1916===
{{UK-C20}} and {{UK-C34}} have left for the {{UK-SF|6}}, reducing the strength to eight submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.{{SMNLDec16|pp. 15, 17}}
 
{|width=75% class="toccolours"
|-
| style="background:#CEDFF2" colspan=6 align=center | '''Part of the [[Dover Patrol]]'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Flagship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Arrogant}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Depot Ship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Hazard}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Submarines'''
|-
|align=center|{{UK-C15}}||align=center|{{UK-C17}}||align=center|{{UK-C18}}||align=center|{{UK-C19}}||align=center|{{UK-C21}}||align=center|{{UK-C22}}
|-
|colspan=2| ||align=center|{{UK-C28}}||align=center|{{UK-C30}}
|}
 
This roster would persist until February or March, 1917.{{SMNLJan17|p. 15 and Supplements through Mar 1917, except a Feb edition was not found}}
 
===March, 1917===
{{UK-C19}}, {{UK-C21}} and {{UK-C22}} have left for the {{UK-SF|9}}, reducing the strength to five submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.{{SMNLMar17|pp. 13, 15}}
 
{|width=75% class="toccolours"
|-
| style="background:#CEDFF2" colspan=6 align=center | '''Part of the [[Dover Patrol]]'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Flagship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Arrogant}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Depot Ship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Hazard}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Submarines'''
|-
|align=center|{{UK-C15}}||align=center|{{UK-C17}}||align=center|{{UK-C18}}||align=center|{{UK-C28}}||align=center|{{UK-C30}}
|}
 
This roster would persist until June.{{SMNLApr17|p. 15 and the May Supplement}}
 
===June, 1917===
{{UK-C24}} from the {{UK-SF|9}} has swapped places with {{UK-C28}}, retaining the strength at five submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.{{SMNLMar17|pp. 13, 15}}
 
{|width=75% class="toccolours"
|-
| style="background:#CEDFF2" colspan=6 align=center | '''Part of the [[Dover Patrol]]'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Flagship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Arrogant}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Depot Ship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Hazard}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Submarines'''
|-
|align=center|{{UK-C15}}||align=center|{{UK-C17}}||align=center|{{UK-C18}}||align=center|{{UK-C24}}||align=center|{{UK-C30}}
|}
 
This roster would persist until February, 1918.{{SMNLJul17|p. 15 and Supplements through February}}
 
On 3 November, 1917, {{UK-C15}} sank {{DE-UC65}} at 50deg 28' N., 0deg 17' E..{{UKTHVol3Part21|p. 5}}
 
===February, 1918===
The flotilla seems to be disbanded, though {{UK-Arrogant}} remains attached directly to the [[Dover Patrol]] as a deport ship for submarines.  {{UK-C15}}, {{UK-C18}} and {{UK-C30}} have gone to the {{UK-SF|6}} and {{UK-C17}} and {{UK-C24}} to the [[Portland Local Defence Flotilla]].{{SMNLFeb18|pp. 15, 18}}
 
{|width=75% class="toccolours"
|-
| style="background:#CEDFF2" colspan=6 align=center | '''Disbanded'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|It would not be re-instituted in the Dreadnought Era
|-
|}
 
===March, 1919===
Back as one of six flotillas supporting the Grand Fleet in the post-war navy, the Fifth has a depot ship and fifteen submarines.{{SMNLMar19|p. 12}}
 
{|width=75% class="toccolours"
|-
| style="background:#CEDFF2" align=center colspan=6 | '''Supporting the [[Grand Fleet]]<br>one of six new flotillas'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Depot Ship'''
|-
|align=center colspan=6|{{UK-Titania}}
|-
|align=center colspan=6|'''Submarines'''
|-
|align=center|{{UK-G1}}||align=center|{{UK-G2}}||align=center|{{UK-G3}}||align=center|{{UK-G4}}||align=center|{{UK-G5}}||align=center|{{UK-G6}}
|-
|align=center|{{UK-G10}}||align=center|{{UK-G12}}||align=center|{{UK-G13}}||align=center|{{UK-J2}}||align=center|{{UK-J3}}||align=center|{{UK-J4}}
|-
|align=center colspan=2|{{UK-J5}}||align=center colspan=2|{{UK-J7}}||align=center colspan=2|{{UK-E45}}
|-
|}
 
===July, 1927===
The flotilla is at Portsmouth, and has been neatly divided into a small core element and, (I kid you not), three half flotillas:{{NLJul27|p. 203}}  The Training Half Flotilla (under {{UK-Alecto}}), the Experimental Half Flotilla (under {{UK-Ross}}) and the Reserve Half Flotilla (under ''Pigmy'').
 
==In Command==
Dates of appointment given:
Dates of appointment given:
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{{Tenure|rank={{CommRN}}|name=Stanley Lyte Willis|nick=Stanley L. Willis|appt=15 October, 1912{{NLApr14|p. 287}}{{NavAppts|12 Oct. 1912, p. 4}}|end=21 October, 1915}}
{{Tenure|rank={{CommRN}}|name=Alexander Robinson Palmer|nick=Alexander R. Palmer|appt=14 January, 1914<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/45/46.|D7603298}} f. 46.</ref>{{NLApr14|p. 382}}|end=10 February, 1915<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/45/46.|D7603298}} f. 46.</ref>}}
{{Tenure|rank={{CommRN}}|name=George Bridges Lewis|nick=George B. Lewis|appt=10 February, 1915{{NLOct15|p. 398''p''}}|end=}}
{{Tenure|rank=Acting {{CommRN}}|name=Tom Kenneth Triggs|nick=Tom K. Triggs|appt=1 November, 1915{{NLDec16|p. 398''pp''}}|end=13 April, 1917}}
{{Tenure|rank={{LCommRN}}|name=Henry Dale Gill|nick=Henry D. Gill|appt=20 April, 1917<ref>Gill Service Record {{TNA|ADM 196/50/72.|D7604484}} f. 207.</ref>|end=5 September, 1917<ref>Gill Service Record {{TNA|ADM 196/50/72.|D7604484}} f. 207.</ref>}}
{{Tenure|rank={{LCommRN}}|name=George Augustus Saltren-Willett|nick=George A. Saltren-Willett|appt=September, 1917<ref>Saltren-Willett Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/50/126.|D7604538}} f. ?.</ref>|end=14 February, 1918<ref>Saltren-Willett Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/50/126.|D7604538}} f. ?.</ref>|as=Lieutenant-Commander (S), Fifth Submarine Flotilla}}
{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Noel Frank Laurence|nick=Noel F. Laurence|appt=March, 1919{{NLSep19|p. 724}}<ref>Laurence Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/175.|D7576654}} f. 579.</ref>|end=January, 1920<ref>Laurence Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/175.|D7576654}} f. 579.</ref>|as=Captain (S), Fifth Submarine Flotilla}}
{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Ronald William Blacklock|nick=Ronald W. Blacklock|appt=|end=15 February, 1938}}
{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Harry Percy Kendall Oram|nick=Harry P. K. Oram|appt=15 February, 1938|end=28 August, 1939}}
{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Cyril George Bucknill Coltart|nick=Cyril G. B. Coltart|appt=11 July, 1939|end=10 December, 1939|as=Captain (S), Fifth Submarine Flotilla}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}} (retired)|name=Reginald Burnard Darke|nick=Reginald B. Darke|appt=11 December, 1939{{NLDec41|p. 1294}}|end=|as=Captain (S), Fifth Submarine Flotilla}}
</div name=fredbot:office0>


==Footnotes==
==Footnotes==
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==See Also==
==See Also==
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Latest revision as of 19:50, 18 April 2023

The Fifth Submarine Flotilla was a formation of submarines of the Royal Navy. Prior to the war, it may have been occasionally referred to as "Section III".[1]

History

Test Mobilisation of July 1914

The flotilla had the members it would carry through much of the war.[2]

Test Mobilisation
Depot Ship
Thames
Submarines
C 1 C 2 C 3 C 4 C 5 C 6

By September, 1914, the flotilla would be designated as a component of the Nore Local Defence Flotilla. It would retain this roster until September, 1916.

September, 1916

The flotilla is redesignated as the Fourth Submarine Flotilla — the vessels of that formation based at Dover are now those of the Fifth Submarine Flotilla. The strength is ten submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.[3]

Part of the Dover Patrol
Flagship
Arrogant
Depot Ship
Hazard
Submarines
C 15 C 17 C 18 C 19 C 20 C 21
  C 22 C 28 C 30 C 34

This roster would apply untilDecember.[4]

December, 1916

C 20 and C 34 have left for the Sixth Submarine Flotilla, reducing the strength to eight submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.[5]

Part of the Dover Patrol
Flagship
Arrogant
Depot Ship
Hazard
Submarines
C 15 C 17 C 18 C 19 C 21 C 22
  C 28 C 30

This roster would persist until February or March, 1917.[6]

March, 1917

C 19, C 21 and C 22 have left for the Ninth Submarine Flotilla, reducing the strength to five submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.[7]

Part of the Dover Patrol
Flagship
Arrogant
Depot Ship
Hazard
Submarines
C 15 C 17 C 18 C 28 C 30

This roster would persist until June.[8]

June, 1917

C 24 from the Ninth Submarine Flotilla has swapped places with C 28, retaining the strength at five submarines, a depot ship and a flag ship.[9]

Part of the Dover Patrol
Flagship
Arrogant
Depot Ship
Hazard
Submarines
C 15 C 17 C 18 C 24 C 30

This roster would persist until February, 1918.[10]

On 3 November, 1917, C 15 sank UC 65 at 50deg 28' N., 0deg 17' E..[11]

February, 1918

The flotilla seems to be disbanded, though Arrogant remains attached directly to the Dover Patrol as a deport ship for submarines. C 15, C 18 and C 30 have gone to the Sixth Submarine Flotilla and C 17 and C 24 to the Portland Local Defence Flotilla.[12]

Disbanded
It would not be re-instituted in the Dreadnought Era

March, 1919

Back as one of six flotillas supporting the Grand Fleet in the post-war navy, the Fifth has a depot ship and fifteen submarines.[13]

Supporting the Grand Fleet
one of six new flotillas
Depot Ship
Titania
Submarines
G 1 G 2 G 3 G 4 G 5 G 6
G 10 G 12 G 13 J 2 J 3 J 4
J 5 J 7 E 45

July, 1927

The flotilla is at Portsmouth, and has been neatly divided into a small core element and, (I kid you not), three half flotillas:[14] The Training Half Flotilla (under Alecto), the Experimental Half Flotilla (under Ross) and the Reserve Half Flotilla (under Pigmy).

In Command

Dates of appointment given:

Footnotes

  1. ↑ "Movements of Ships." The Times (London, England), 5 Feb. 1912, p. 4.
  2. ↑ Admiralty Weekly Order No. 109 of 10 July, 1914.
  3. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (September, 1916). pp. 15, 17.
  4. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (October, 1916). p. 15 and Supplements through December.
  5. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (December, 1916). pp. 15, 17.
  6. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (January, 1917). p. 15 and Supplements through Mar 1917, except a Feb edition was not found.
  7. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (March, 1917). pp. 13, 15.
  8. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (April, 1917). p. 15 and the May Supplement.
  9. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (March, 1917). pp. 13, 15.
  10. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (July, 1917). p. 15 and Supplements through February.
  11. ↑ The Technical History and Index, Vol. 3, Part 21. p. 5.
  12. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (February, 1918). pp. 15, 18.
  13. ↑ Supplement to the Monthly Navy List. (March, 1919). p. 12.
  14. ↑ The Navy List. (July, 1927). p. 203.
  15. ↑ The Navy List. (April, 1914). p. 287.
  16. ↑ "Naval Appointments." The Times (London, England), 12 Oct. 1912, p. 4.
  17. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/45/46. f. 46.
  18. ↑ The Navy List. (April, 1914). p. 382.
  19. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/45/46. f. 46.
  20. ↑ The Navy List. (October, 1915). p. 398p.
  21. ↑ The Navy List. (December, 1916). p. 398pp.
  22. ↑ Gill Service Record The National Archives. ADM 196/50/72. f. 207.
  23. ↑ Gill Service Record The National Archives. ADM 196/50/72. f. 207.
  24. ↑ Saltren-Willett Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/50/126. f. ?.
  25. ↑ Saltren-Willett Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/50/126. f. ?.
  26. ↑ The Navy List. (September, 1919). p. 724.
  27. ↑ Laurence Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/175. f. 579.
  28. ↑ Laurence Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/175. f. 579.
  29. ↑ The Navy List. (December, 1941). p. 1294.

Bibliography

See Also


British Submarine Flotillas
First Submarine Flotilla | Second Submarine Flotilla | Third Submarine Flotilla | Fourth Submarine Flotilla
Fifth Submarine Flotilla | Sixth Submarine Flotilla | Seventh Submarine Flotilla | Eighth Submarine Flotilla
Ninth Submarine Flotilla | Tenth Submarine Flotilla | Eleventh Submarine Flotilla | Twelfth Submarine Flotilla
Thirteenth Submarine Flotilla | Fourteenth Submarine Flotilla | Fifteenth Submarine Flotilla | Sixteenth Submarine Flotilla
Ambrose's Flotilla | Mediterranean Flotilla | Platypus's Flotilla | Vulcan's Flotilla | Hong Kong Flotilla
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