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==Life & Career==
 
==Life & Career==
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{LieutRN}} on 30 September, 1904.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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Palmer was born in Armagh, the son of physician J. Mansergh Palmer.  He gained five months' seniority upon passing out of {{UK-1Britannia}} in September, 1898 and received his first appointment, to the {{UK-Jupiter|f=t}} of the [[Channel Squadron]].  After one year, he joined the {{UK-Astraea|f=t}} in the Mediterranean.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
  
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{LCommRN}} on 30 September, 1912.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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Palmer failed his navigation examination in June, 1902 and pass it in September.  In March, 1903, he would fail gunnery and pass it the following month.
  
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{CommRN}} on 30 June, 1917.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{LieutRN}} on 30 September, 1904 as he was finishing an appointment in the [Channel Squadron]]'s {{UK-Jupiter|f=t}}.  A faintly positive evaluation in October from her Captain [[James Startin|Startin]] ("fairly zealous") was more than undercut by a note from Vice-Admiral [[Charles William de la Poer Beresford, First Baron Beresford|Beresford]]: "A very unsatisy. report.  I consider this officer unfitted for appt. to a T.B.D.."  Palmer was sent to the destroyer {{UK-Cherwell}} for a month and then to {{UK-Flirt}} for another.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
  
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{CaptRN}} on 23 June, 1927.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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On 24 October, 1907, Palmer received a second class certificate in Physical Training duties.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{LCommRN}} on 30 September, 1912.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
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==Great War==
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On 15 April, 1917, the S.S. ''Turritella'', which had been captured by a German prize crew and then "employed as a minelayer" was scuttled after being overtaken by {{UK-1Odin}} under command of Palmer's command.  Palmer was praised for his conduct in the event and gave up command of ''Odin'' on 18 May, 1917.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.  More on the ''Turritella'' incident can be found [https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/158174-ss-turritella/ here].</ref>
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Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{CommRN}} on 30 June, 1917 and on 23 July was mentioned in despatches for gallantry in military operations in Aden in the period 10 March 1916 to 31 March, 1917.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
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Palmer was placed on the Retired List at his own request on 1 January, 1923.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
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Having recently taken up the role of port officer in Port Sudan, Palmer was promoted to the rank of {{CaptRN}} on the Retired List upon reaching the age forty-five on 23 June, 1927.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
  
 
==World War II==
 
==World War II==
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Palmer was appointed as Naval Officer in Charge, Aberdeen, vice Coombs on 6 November, 1939.  On the 27th, he was appointed to ''Afrikander V'' as Maintenance Captain on Staff of the Commander in Chief, South Atlantic.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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Palmer was appointed as Naval Officer in Charge, Aberdeen, vice Coombs on 6 November, 1939.  On the 27th, he was appointed to ''Afrikander V'' as Maintenance Captain on Staff of the Commander in Chief, South Atlantic.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
  
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On 1 October, 1941, he was appointed in command of H.M.S. ''Okapi'' and H.M.S. ''Eland'', as Flag Captain to Commander in Chief, South Atlantic.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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On 1 October, 1941, he was appointed in command of H.M.S. ''Okapi'' and H.M.S. ''Eland'', as Flag Captain to Commander in Chief, South Atlantic.  [[David Bruce Nicol]] superseded him in these roles very soon thereafter.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
  
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He was reverted to the Retired List on 30 October, 1945.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47.|}} f. 367.</ref>
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He was reverted to the Retired List on 30 October, 1945.<ref>Palmer Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/162.|D7603869}} f. 367.</ref>
  
 
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Latest revision as of 15:58, 7 April 2022

Captain (retired) Edwin Mansergh Palmer, O.B.E., (23 June, 1882 – 19 November, 1945) served in the Royal Navy.

Life & Career

Palmer was born in Armagh, the son of physician J. Mansergh Palmer. He gained five months' seniority upon passing out of Britannia in September, 1898 and received his first appointment, to the battleship Jupiter of the Channel Squadron. After one year, he joined the second class protected cruiser Astræa in the Mediterranean.[1]

Palmer failed his navigation examination in June, 1902 and pass it in September. In March, 1903, he would fail gunnery and pass it the following month.

Palmer was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant on 30 September, 1904 as he was finishing an appointment in the [Channel Squadron]]'s battleship Jupiter. A faintly positive evaluation in October from her Captain Startin ("fairly zealous") was more than undercut by a note from Vice-Admiral Beresford: "A very unsatisy. report. I consider this officer unfitted for appt. to a T.B.D.." Palmer was sent to the destroyer Cherwell for a month and then to Flirt for another.[2]

On 24 October, 1907, Palmer received a second class certificate in Physical Training duties.[3]

Palmer was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant-Commander on 30 September, 1912.[4]

Great War

On 15 April, 1917, the S.S. Turritella, which had been captured by a German prize crew and then "employed as a minelayer" was scuttled after being overtaken by Odin under command of Palmer's command. Palmer was praised for his conduct in the event and gave up command of Odin on 18 May, 1917.[5]

Palmer was promoted to the rank of Commander on 30 June, 1917 and on 23 July was mentioned in despatches for gallantry in military operations in Aden in the period 10 March 1916 to 31 March, 1917.[6]

Palmer was placed on the Retired List at his own request on 1 January, 1923.[7]

Having recently taken up the role of port officer in Port Sudan, Palmer was promoted to the rank of Captain on the Retired List upon reaching the age forty-five on 23 June, 1927.[8]

World War II

Palmer was appointed as Naval Officer in Charge, Aberdeen, vice Coombs on 6 November, 1939. On the 27th, he was appointed to Afrikander V as Maintenance Captain on Staff of the Commander in Chief, South Atlantic.[9]

On 1 October, 1941, he was appointed in command of H.M.S. Okapi and H.M.S. Eland, as Flag Captain to Commander in Chief, South Atlantic. David Bruce Nicol superseded him in these roles very soon thereafter.[10]

He was reverted to the Retired List on 30 October, 1945.[11]

See Also

Naval Appointments
Preceded by
? 		Captain of H.M.S. Dalhousie
26 Aug, 1914[12] – 15 Jan, 1917[13] 		Succeeded by
Cathcart R. Wason
Preceded by
Cathcart R. Wason 		Captain of H.M.S. Odin
15 Jan, 1917[14] – 18 May, 1917[15] 		Succeeded by
James S. C. Salmond
Preceded by
Henry M. Coombs 		Senior Naval Officer and D.N.T.O., Aberdeen
6 Nov, 1939[16] – 27 Nov, 1939[17] 		Succeeded by
Colpoys C. Walcott
as Naval Officer in Charge, Aberdeen
Preceded by
Rupert S. Gwatkin-Williams 		Captain of H.M.S. Edinburgh Castle
14 Mar, 1940[18] – 31 Jul, 1941[19] 		Succeeded by
David B. Nicol

Footnotes

  1. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  2. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  3. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  4. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  5. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367. More on the Turritella incident can be found here.
  6. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  7. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  8. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  9. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  10. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  11. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  12. ↑ The Navy List. (December, 1914). p. 399c.
  13. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  14. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47. f. 367.
  15. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47. f. 367.
  16. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47. f. 367.
  17. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/162. f. 367.
  18. ↑ Palmer Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47. f. 367.
  19. ↑ Nicol Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/51/133. f. 144.

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